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Soooo, the CBR forums, widely known as a dudebro cesspit wherein comics are sometimes discussed, have just been rebooted after years of accumulated posts. Per the article linked, this was prompted largely by the vitriolic response on the forums to someone critiquing a comics cover a couple of weeks ago. Specifically, a woman critiquing a comics cover. It's been the latest talking point in the sexism-in-comics discussion, and I am well pleased to see the CBR site use it as a motivator to overhaul the way their forums do business.

But.

But years and years of accumulated posts! Some of those threads were into the thousands of posts over the course of as much as ten years. And those posts are going to be, apparently, completely unavailable starting two weeks from now. So I am torn between \o/ and DDD:

Crossposted from Dreamwidth. Comment here or there. (comment count unavailable DW replies)

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thursdaysisters
Apr. 30th, 2014 10:47 pm (UTC)
Yeah the only cover artist who I felt could get away with chesty superheroines was Alex Ross, cuz he actually imbued them with the sensational otherness that made them loved and feared.
snickfic
May. 1st, 2014 12:12 am (UTC)
I'm not inherently opposed to well-endowed heroines. It takes all body types. But there's a huge difference between a female character who happens to be busty and a character who's drawn as a lust object first and foremost.
de_nugis
Apr. 30th, 2014 10:47 pm (UTC)
That horrifies my archival soul. I can see that it might be hard to make a major change in culture without a fresh start, but couldn't they save the old stuff, maybe put it frozen in cold storage for a while, but not destroy it?
snickfic
May. 1st, 2014 12:13 am (UTC)
It horrifies me too. Two weeks is not sufficient time for interested parties to retrieve what they might want to retrieve.
de_nugis
May. 1st, 2014 12:15 am (UTC)
And interested parties may include future generations! I have a kneejerk "Someone's dissertation will depend on this!" reaction.
snickfic
May. 1st, 2014 12:16 am (UTC)
Yeah. It's one thing to say the internet is impermanent and another to watch its history being actively destroyed.
sugar_fey
Apr. 30th, 2014 10:51 pm (UTC)
Wow. I applaud CBR for taking a clear stand on this, CBR is a cesspool and it was getting worse.

But getting rid of the old forums entirely? I don't know. Maybe simply locking them would've been better. I'm also glad they have a new zero tolerance policy for bigotry, but I'll wait to see how the policies are enforced. In the past I've seen horribly sexist and racist statements go untouched by the mods, whereas comments calling out the bigotry have been deleted for being 'off topic.'

snickfic
May. 1st, 2014 12:14 am (UTC)
I'd much rather they locked the old forums. And yeah, we'll have to see how things are enforced. Right now it looks like mods are freezing threads just to remind us they can.
sugar_fey
May. 1st, 2014 01:29 am (UTC)
Honestly, my first thought upon seeing this was that the dudebro behaviour towards female fans is going to get even worse as a reaction to this. "You took away CBR!" Not that that should stop CBR from acting, and I hope they actually put their money where their mouth is and enforce the new policies. But I have very little faith in that regard.
etrangere
Apr. 30th, 2014 11:37 pm (UTC)
NOOOOOOOOOOO damnit i hate those forums but the magnus family thread with all the fanart and the posts by Rivka fuckfuckfuckfuckfcuck
snickfic
May. 1st, 2014 12:14 am (UTC)
:(

If you want any of that stuff, now is the time to get it.
etrangere
May. 1st, 2014 12:20 am (UTC)
although it's good they realised the place was a pit and needed some fixing. Woot :)
transemacabre
May. 1st, 2014 12:31 am (UTC)
They should've had competent modding and enforcement from the get-go, rather than letting things blow out of proportion and then napalming the entire forum.
snickfic
May. 1st, 2014 01:28 am (UTC)
Fair enough, but only one of those is an option ten+ years after the fact.
transemacabre
May. 1st, 2014 01:35 am (UTC)
CBR could've taken responsibility at any time in the last ten years and started weeding out the assholes.

I'm hoping they just lock the old forum and leave it as read-only.
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