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The Real Ghostbusters
This? This was silly cracky fanservice from start to finish, and I loved every minute of it.

* The re-enactment of some of Sam and Dean's most painful scenes, right in front of them! (And I'm highly amused that we included the originals of those scenes in the 'previously on' clips. That asylum scene was a long time ago, yanno?)

* Bungees!

* Dean, freaking out on the fanboys about using his life for entertainment!

* Fanboys, telling Dean his life is pretty neat, actually!

* Fanboys, telling Dean that they're going to help save people because that's what Sam and Dean would do! AWWWW.

* The main fanboys were pretty fab in general. I kind of liked them a lot.

* Becky, breaking up with Sam: mildly amusing. Sam, swearing to go on somehow: PRICELESS.

Two quibbles. First, I am highly skeptical of the demographics of this convention. Becky, whom we know is in fandom, is helping run the con, and yet the guy/girl ratio is something like 20/1. Seriously? And here I thought this show had a pretty good grasp of what fandom looks like, and not just the pasty, girl-phobic basement-dweller cliche.

Second, I don't believe for a minute that a ghost couldn't tell the difference between a human being in make-up and another ghost.

But still. I LOVE MY SHOW, YOU GUYS.

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Abandon All Hope
I HATE MY SHOW, YOU GUYS.

Actually, I'd be much angrier over Jo and Ellen's deaths if I hadn't already been spoiled for them since before I started watching the show. I remember reading penny_lane_42's post after this ep, which was basically a wordless cry of rage. Which is exactly what this ep deserves.

It's a perfectly serviceable ep in other ways. I just keep loving Mark Pellegrino more as Lucifer; the Ellen-Jo-Cas bonding is priceless (and how bad do I want FITB fic about those three? SO BAD); Jo faking Dean out after his last night on Earth speech was excellent (and aw, look at him being all uncertain and stuff! honest, if I were ever going to ship them, I'd ship them based on this ep); even the staging of and acting in the actual pre-death scenes were quite good; Cas was generally wonderful.

And CROWLEY. Y'all, I'd heard vaguely of Crowley (why hello there, oh-so-subtle Gaiman/Pratchett homage) and I knew Mark Sheppard showed up sometime, but somehow I never guessed they were one and the same. So perfect! No wonder everyone loves Crowley. There will be more Crowley, yes? Yes? (Please don't actually answer this question.) (Also, it occurs to me that Crowley and Gabriel would get on marvelously well.)

And yet. And yet JO. And ELLEN.

Roommate commented, and I agree, that it'd have been so much better to lose Bobby than Ellen and Jo. I've nothing against Bobby except that we seem to be done telling his story, aside from the wheelchair thing. We've seen a lot of him; there don't seem many other places to go. Whereas there was SO MUCH we could have done with the Harvelles. How much would I have loved to see them help the boys out on a really regular basis? Tease them and yell at them and have deep sit-down talks with them? I cannot even tell you how much I would have loved that.

So yeah. Perfectly fine ep, lots of good stuff in it, but yanno? Right now I really hate my show.

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rebcake
Aug. 1st, 2011 08:02 am (UTC)
My lips are zipped, except to say that you are now cleared for the wonderful fic "Sorority" by st_salieri:

http://st-salieri.livejournal.com/368077.html

Also, while the demographic of cons has changed mucho, there was a time when females were rare birds indeed at such confabs. I think the writers are harkening back to those days, which were probably during their formative years. (I love that ep SO MUCH!)
snickfic
Aug. 1st, 2011 04:15 pm (UTC)
There is zip-lipping? I said something here to necessitate zipped lips? Huh. Veddy interesting.

And oh, that fic was lovely and wonderful and heartbreaking. Thank you for the rec!

I think the writers are harkening back to those days, which were probably during their formative years.

Yeah, I could tell that they were clearly going for an old-school vibe for their convention; it just felt weird given what else we'd already been shown in the show about the Supernatural fandom. Plus, yanno, it felt like just one more excuse not to have any women.

But still, yes. SO MUCH LOVE for that ep.
goldenusagi
Aug. 1st, 2011 08:01 pm (UTC)
I have real thoughts later, but now that you've seen 5.10, you MUST go watch the Go Back To Sleep fanvid you asked me about.
snickfic
Aug. 1st, 2011 08:09 pm (UTC)
I ALREADY DID! Wow, that was something. I'm not usually a vid person, but that was really chilling. In fact, I should go watch it again!

Also, I went and started reading your banterverse last night, because now I can! Except I realized in the fourth or fifth fic that you still followed the actual S5 eps somewhat, so I guess I should wait until I've finished the season.

Seriously, I have all sorts of things mentally filed away, just waiting for me to get far enough to be able to read/watch them. *g*

Edited at 2011-08-01 08:09 pm (UTC)
goldenusagi
Aug. 1st, 2011 08:21 pm (UTC)
Isn't is just an AMAZING video? What it chooses to focus on, the editing, the quick intercutting... I'm really picky about fanvids, but that one is just at a whole other level.

Yeah, my fic verse still follows S5. Though after I "end" S5, it goes off in its own happy direction that doesn't really involve anything but snark. Banter'verse was my answer to 'how could Gabriel actually join Team Free Will without his cosmic powers overshadowing the boys?'. That verse got away from me, lol. It started as nothing, the first fic I acutally wrote was the one where they discussed dinosaurs and Jesus. (All of my fic is pretty much blanket S5 spoilers, BTW. I wrote very little that's set in S6, and it's clearly marked.)
snickfic
Aug. 1st, 2011 08:23 pm (UTC)
So is 'Team Free Will' an expression that comes out of the show? I haven't noticed it yet, but I could swear you're not the only person I've seen use it. Is it a fannish term?
goldenusagi
Aug. 1st, 2011 08:24 pm (UTC)
It is a term that comes out of the show. People latched onto it like whoa.
snickfic
Aug. 1st, 2011 08:26 pm (UTC)
It's got a great ring to it. :)
goldenusagi
Aug. 1st, 2011 08:28 pm (UTC)
Guess which character said it!
snickfic
Aug. 1st, 2011 08:33 pm (UTC)
Didn't we already have this discussion, where I said it sounded like Dean? I thought you confirmed. But maybe you were being Sneaky.
goldenusagi
Aug. 1st, 2011 08:36 pm (UTC)
Did we? But yeah, Dean.

The origin of TFW doesn't seem like something to be sneaky about, lol.

But speaking of sneaky, how sneaky is Castiel?

snickfic
Aug. 1st, 2011 08:39 pm (UTC)
Hee! Yes, I really appreciated Cas in that scene, all the way through, partly because of the sneakiness. (Also, let's face it, the lighting did very pretty things to him.)
goldenusagi
Aug. 1st, 2011 08:41 pm (UTC)
Castiel firelit is a very striking image indeed.
goldenusagi
Aug. 1st, 2011 08:55 pm (UTC)
I don't have much to say about 5.09. It's cracky, but it wasn't one of my favorites. I did like the part where Dean does his pickup line on the girl at the bar, and she dismisses him, until she gets a good look at him, lol. And Chuck! "Who gave you the rights to our lives?" / "An archangel." Seeing all the Impalas when they pull up!

I am highly skeptical of the demographics of this convention.

It does seem to be at odds with Becky. And the TV show itself garners mostly female fans. Maybe SPN the book series is more like a comic book, that gets mostly male fans, but with some enthusiastic girls as well?

5.10

CROWLEY. How much do I love this fierce, sneaky, demon? He's upset about the Winchesters ruining his rug. He shoots his own demons and then tells the boys that they need to talk. He has reasonable motivations for wanting Lucifer gone. He gives them the gun, they ask him where Lucifer is, and then Sam tries to shoot him. Crowley cooly offers them more ammuntion. I love the forethought this implies. He only put two bullets into the gun, two for his own demons, because he KNEW the Winchesters would shoot him. And, "How about you don't miss, okay, MORONS?!"

He's grudgingly helpful, not just 'hahaha, I'm evil.' Sort of an antagonistic force that doesn't antagonize them, like you were talking about the other day.

Oh, oh! And remember how I said that making deals didn't always involve kissing girls in lowcut dresses?

I just keep loving Mark Pellegrino more as Lucifer

He continues to be awesome, and his whole interrogation with Castiel was creepy and understated, yet curious. Asking what it's like to ride in a car, lol.

Castiel drinking is adorable. He just drinks ALL THE SHOTS without pausing or letting Ellen have a turn.





(Also, it occurs to me that Crowley and Gabriel would get on marvelously well.)

The snark would be unbearable. Throw in a S6 character, and the snark would be too awesome to exist.

And...Jo and Ellen. I really feel oddly neutral about their deaths. I hate the fact that their characters didn't go any further than this, or that they didn't get more development prior to this, because they are kick ass women. However. Their deaths were one of the few deaths that actually made me sad. I actually don't rage over their deaths like I do some other characters' deaths--which is odd. I'm talking about characters later dying that I don't even CARE about, but whose deaths were there simply to have their deaths there. Like, the story didn't have to kill them, in story. 5.10 was a lost cause and a suicide run, and there was no way out. Deaths make me angrier when the in story reasons don't seem to add up, when characters are just killed because why not?
snickfic
Aug. 1st, 2011 10:11 pm (UTC)
Sort of an antagonistic force that doesn't antagonize them, like you were talking about the other day.

Actually, I was thinking of exactly the opposite thing! Someone who antagonizes them and is maybe opposed to some of their actions but isn't actually evil. Like Henriksen or how we thought Uriel was before 4.16.

Not that that makes me like Crowley any less. :)

Castiel drinking is adorable. He just drinks ALL THE SHOTS without pausing or letting Ellen have a turn.

Hee! I confess, I sort of resent that scene because it's a direct rip-off of a scene in the extended edition of one of the LOTR movies (either the second or third, I can't remember) between Legolas and Gimli. But yes, Cas is adorable.

Oh, oh! And remember how I said that making deals didn't always involve kissing girls in lowcut dresses?

I was definitely thinking of you as I watched the scene! (Although I was also thinking of you during the Mary/YED incestuous kiss in In the Beginning. After that, I hadn't really expected another instance of not-a-girl-in-a-low-cut-dress, so the Crowley kiss was a surprise.)

Their deaths were one of the few deaths that actually made me sad. I actually don't rage over their deaths like I do some other characters' deaths--which is odd.

Yeah, I don't actually object to the manner of their deaths; I thought they were better handled than a whole lot of deaths we've seen. It's the fact of their deaths that I'm angry over. In terms of execution, I'm a whole lot madder about, say, Ava and Andy, whose deaths I'm never going to get over, apparently. Or Pamela! Still mad about Pamela.
goldenusagi
Aug. 1st, 2011 10:29 pm (UTC)
Crowley is more casually evil, rather than world ending evil. He just wants to go about his business, he's in sales, dammit!

Yeah, Pamela was one of the seemingly "let's kill them just for the heck of it" deaths. At least Ava and Andy were caught in a demon deathmatch thing... I mean, even if we *never saw Pamela again* we'd have the possibility of being able to use her sometime in the future. But this show seems to want to like Close All Doors or something. It's really annoying, the way it sets up interesting characters, and then proceeds not to do anything with them except kill them. Then, because it's killed all of its interesting characters, it has to make more interesting characters the next season, only to kill those as well. Then Interesting Character B ends up sounding like a copy of Interesting Character A, because we only have time to develop them superficially.
snickfic
Aug. 1st, 2011 11:29 pm (UTC)
I am nodding very hard at everything in your paragraph. Yes to closing all the doors, and killing all the interesting characters and then inventing new ones, and, yes.

That is all. *g*
goldenusagi
Aug. 2nd, 2011 07:32 pm (UTC)
Okay, so the Ghostfacers have/had a webseries.

This was just released: the Ghostfacers meet Castiel.

http://ontd-spnparty.livejournal.com/434904.html
snickfic
Aug. 2nd, 2011 08:36 pm (UTC)
Castiel makes everything better. Even the Ghostfacers. Bwah hah hah. Thank you!
goldenusagi
Aug. 2nd, 2011 09:04 pm (UTC)
And there are already gifs!

snickfic
Aug. 2nd, 2011 09:08 pm (UTC)
That bit was excellent. Castiel's usually so ramrod straight, but faced with the Ghostfacers even he ends up leaning against a door frame, waiting for some sense to present itself.
goldenusagi
Aug. 2nd, 2011 09:10 pm (UTC)
I think he got a sort of smug, bored amusement in chasing them around the house via teleportation. The only thing that could have made it better would be if he had used the traditional angelic greeting of "Fear not."
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